RPS Limit

[Maverick]

Well tagging guns that have been chronoed is the standard. A colored ziptie works great for this.

As far as coming up with a solution, there isnt a solution needed. I have been playing for almost a decade now, and this discussion is the first time that RPS has ever become an issue. Granted, P* did just come out recently, but there have always been guns over 24 RPS around. In fact 24 RPS is a meager performance standard to a lot of AEG tuners out there. I could build an AEG that shoots over 65 RPS no problem.

Personally from what I can tell, none of the experienced players are complaining at all. It seems that the only people who are in favor of this rule (from a player standpoint, not staff) are new members. I think this is either due to the fact that they are not used to the adrenaline when they get hit so they exaggerated how many times they got hit, or throughout the day they have been shoddy at calling hits so they are a bit more of a target than most.

[Rogue]

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke"

Enforcing a RPS rule seems a bit over the top to me. Like Maverick said, no solution is needed, neither is a new rule.

I think a reason that this rule has come about is because of the switch to a younger crowd at KA. I remember being younger and being scared sh**less of my brother Maverick when he would get a new gun. Sure, it made me scared, but it never made me wanna quit playing airsoft. I've come along way since then, The same should hold true for most first time airsofters. Most will stick with the game.

Point blank, we all come down to the airhouse voluntarily to shoot at eachother. If a few extra Bb's is a huge deal to you, take it up with the person right then and there, respectfully. If it happens repeatedly, talk to a ref.

To sum it all up, you can be overkilled with a gun shooting 17 RPS or a gun shooting 35 RPS. IMO, enforcing this rule will alienate Veteran players who take pride in their guns. Please, repeal this rule.

[Hunt81]

How many of you would be interested in a week night of Airsoft designed for veteran players? Possibly raise the FPS and remove the RPS limit. How many of you would try to attend?

[Miller]

Agreed, why come up with a solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place. Like Mav said this has never been a issue before and many AEGs have been shooting well over 24 RPS long before p* were introduced. The only solution I have is get rid of the RPS limit its just going to cause more problems and arguments in the airsoft community. The last thing this sport needs is another rule or regulation.

[Sham]

I have been wanting private games for months. Please make this happen.

18+ experienced players/ vouched for minors.

[Kilroy]

Nov 1, 2012 22:52:34 GMT -5 Hunt81 said:

So let me just say this guys, rather than everybody telling KA how bad of a decision you thought they've made, let try and come up with the solution. You guys obviously don't like there to be a limit but for the exception of Foxtrot nobody is really trying to help find a great solution.

Nov 1, 2012 21:40:08 GMT -5 Spaz {Clanless} said:

Simply put, the rps limit is addressing a non-issue. Holding overkillers accountable is what needs to be done.

Im sorry, what?

I'll bring up was Spaz brought up. Its addressing a non-issue. I dont even really know how we got to this point. I have not personally seen any overkilling or heard of any that would bring us to this. However, I dont play as much now so Im kinda out of the loop.

Bringing the RPS down will not solve an overkilling issue. You can easily overkill someone on Semi-auto. This rule will only effect those who play by the rules. Now, again like Spaz said, it comes down the the players being accountable. Trigger discipline is a must in a CQB environment. If you want some advice on how this can be addressed, simply announce it before each game. Tell everyone refs are out there keeping an eye out and if anyone has a problem then speak with a ref.

As far as the chrono issue goes, when a gun gets chronoed, simply put a colored zip tie on it that indicates its velocity. If someones gun doesnt have a zip tie, then pull the user off the field until he switches guns or chronos.

*EDIT: Sorry mav, my page didnt refresh when I typed this. Didnt even notice you had already posted about the zip ties. I'll keep this up for reiteration though.*

Also, I would be up for a vet only night.

[Spaz {Clanless}]

I wish I could do vet only days, but Saturday is the only day I can come down. Sounds like fun regardless.

[sunshine]

I'm sorry to chime in but the RPS rule is just ludacrious, You'll lose players over time to this and eventually bring the crowd and experience level down. I remember playing with Tino and Bill and they would just slide into a wall of fire. People with AEGs will have to seriously downgrade their weapons.

Come on I mean I can overkill you with my rifle on semi and a few well placed shots.

Just my two cents, get rid of the rule.

Edit. Vet days a must!

[Deleted]

Might as well chime in.

Repeal the rule, make players accountable, tag the chronoed guns, and make a vet night. If all of these are implemented, then threads like these will become extincted.

[Rabbit]

Tagging the chronoed guns would work amazingly. So would making players accountable on there trigger control. As for a vet night I'm sure someone would vouch for me

[Doc]

Well I have tried to stay out of these threads, due to not being able to get out to the Airhouse through out the summer. But the more Im reading this the more it makes sense to get rid of the rule regaurding RPS. Go back to working on trigger control and such.

As for the Vet night I would be down for it, increasing FPS should not be one of the issues either. Keep that where it is. Just make the vet night those 18+ and the biggestr drawl for me would be the reduce amount of people and just playing with older, hopefully more mature players.

[Miller]

Nov 1, 2012 22:52:34 GMT -5 Hunt81 said:

You guys obviously don't like there to be a limit but for the exception of Foxtrot nobody is really trying to help find a great solution.

Not to put you on the spot here but I'm hearing some great solutions.
1. Repael RPS limit
2. Have an 18 and up night
3. Enforce tagging guns when chronoed
4. Have refs keep an eye out for overkilling
5. Let everyone especially the newer younger players know how important trigger control is.

I think this is more then enuff to solve are issue that shouldn't really exist in the first place. I've been playing here since I was 17 back then I was considered one of the younger players times have changed. I think I can speak for most if not all the vets here when I say we love KA it's a great stress reliever and just a fun place to go play airsoft and meet new people but I think it's rules like this that could potentially push some of us away. I'd like to think we are every bit as important to you as those new younger players. Your always looking for new ideas and suggestions to make KA and airsoft better for us well here it is please repeal this rule.

[Rabbit]

^^

[Shift]

I feel like I need to add my voice to the group of folks that are advocating against an RPS limit. Just like banning alcohol didn't stop drinking, banning guns won't stop gun violence and banning abortion won't stop abortions from happening, banning fast airsoft replicas won't stop people from getting bonus balled. Ok, it's not a rock-solid analogy, but I think you probably get my point.

How about this, instead of, or maybe in addition to the veteran's night, what if once a week or every other week there's a shorter night (maybe 3 hours) with a lesser charge ($5-10) that focuses on teaching new players fundamentals. Maybe even make it free to attract more people.

My thoughts would be that it could be a combination of "classroom" practice to teach ideas and theory followed by some practical application and end it all with open play to cement what was gone over that night.

In my mind, the topics would be less combat/play oriented, e.g. no learning how to stack and enter rooms or the like, but learning basic weapons handling/safety rules, sportsmanship, target identification etc. - the intangibles that lead up to pulling the trigger.

If everyone can be brought up to the level of play displayed by the veterans, we all win. To this end, I would hope that if something like this were to happen, it wouldn't just be the KA guys doing it, but there would be veteran volunteers to assist and act as mentors. I could probably even make the three hour drive every once in a great while if I had enough notice.

All the things that people are talking about in this thread can be accomplished through training, education and communication.

[Chubbs]

I know I'm not one if the most well known players in this community but I feel I need to voice my opinion. This RPS rule is probably one of, if not the most ridiculous rule I've even seen in the sport if Airsoft! Many gun techs and vet players take lots of pride in their guns. And with these guns usually comes a higher RPS, longevity and overall performance. I know if this new RPS rule is implemented my G&G m4 upgraded by cromag will be "illegal". I think the this ruled should be "vetoed" once again the main problem comes down to over killing. All of these problems can become non-existent if players would call their hits, and put their damn hands up! Many a time have I shot a player hear them barely call hit, they walk away without their hands up, they get shot again and complain! Put you hands up, call "hit" (come to think of it, just effing YELL it if you don't like being shot)

I personally have only had one instance of overkilling, which was when a new player with a high end gun had been using full auto outside and was shooting through some brush. He shot me I called hit, had my hands up walked into the open (with my hands still up) and he felt it was necessary to light me up again. I reported him and he had his warning. The final conclusion though for this RPS rule comes down to Chad and Hollis hearing voices of the players' opinions.

My vote: if you do implement this RPS rule make it reasonable for players with up'd guns. So maybe a 32-28rps rule.