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Post by Raptor on Mar 31, 2013 13:08:09 GMT -5
I was reading somewhere that North Korea had missiles aimed at our military bases, Hawaii, and anything in range that belonged to the united states and/or south korea.
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Post by Ratchet on Mar 31, 2013 13:24:06 GMT -5
Well yea they had South Korea in their sights. Their borders touch!!
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Post by Raptor on Mar 31, 2013 13:27:54 GMT -5
Well yea they had South Korea in their sights. Their borders touch!! When haven't they had them in their sites? Let's put it that way.
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Post by turdsandwitch on Apr 2, 2013 6:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by lightning on Apr 3, 2013 17:18:40 GMT -5
That's the kind of nationalism we need here in America. We have no business on the Korean peninsula, it's not worth America lives. If South Korea can't defend itself after 60 years that's to bad. As far as them being are "allies" what has Korea ever done for us? It's a give and take, not just a one side take all. It's like Israel are "closest" allie they suck us dry with aid, sell are tec to China, and enrage the muslim world against us and what dose America get? Heartache and debt. We need to put the money into are economy and put the troops on the Mexican border, and get back sense of nationalism and the pride in are country and are heritage. We are not here for the world we are here for America!
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Post by Sleepy on Apr 3, 2013 20:02:27 GMT -5
That's not really what I'd like to think of America as. Greedy? Selfish? We're already enough of those. How will cutting off all allies help us? Do you have a friend that's poor? Why would you, it's not like they give you anything in return. Leave them for the dogs, right?
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Post by Raptor on Apr 3, 2013 20:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not liking this. China is moving troops to the North Korean border. So I think something is about to go down. Also North Korea has approved nuclear strikes on the united states. Thoughts?
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Post by turdsandwitch on Apr 4, 2013 7:11:51 GMT -5
That's the kind of nationalism we need here in America. We have no business on the Korean peninsula, it's not worth America lives. If South Korea can't defend itself after 60 years that's to bad. As far as them being are "allies" what has Korea ever done for us? It's a give and take, not just a one side take all. It's like Israel are "closest" allie they suck us dry with aid, sell are tec to China, and enrage the muslim world against us and what dose America get? Heartache and debt. We need to put the money into are economy and put the troops on the Mexican border, and get back sense of nationalism and the pride in are country and are heritage. We are not here for the world we are here for America! Please tell me you are kidding. Most of what the Unites States does is in the best interest of the United States. Korea is the United States 7th largest goods export market and is the United States 6th largest supplier of goods imports. That means billions of dollars from Korea alone is pumped into our economy just through imports and exports. Let's not forget about Hyundai and Kia. Two South Korean automobile companies that have automotive plants here in the United States that employ Americans. As for Israel: The bulk of the $1.8 billion in annual U.S. military aid to Israel must be spent in the United States. That provides jobs for some 50,000 U.S. workers. Virtually all of the $1.2 billion in annual economic aid goes for repayment of debt to the United States, incurred from military purchases dating back many years. This debt is now close to being liquidated. Let's pretend that we were a single nation fending for ourselves compared to what we are today, without any import or export since that would require us relying on other countries. Our economy would have crashed a lot harder a lot longer ago with no chance of recovery. No one on this forum would be able to play airsoft with any decent guns unless they were illegally acquired. There would be many food and products you enjoy today that wouldn't exist in America if we disregard everyone. Who is to say that other countries wouldn't have gone to war against us on our soil? Every superpower comes to an end. There is no getting around that. My source for claiming this is any history book. Sooner or later the United States will not be as awesome or powerful as it is today. The chances of that happening in our lifetime, or even our children's children's lifetime are slim to none but it is inevitable. Just remember that it is our relationships with these other countries that helped establish our status. Do I agree with all the choices our government has made? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. Not even close. But to say that we need to disregard all other countries and too bad if they get attacked and blown up is just silly. People have lopsided perspectives of help and aid because the U.S. hasn't been invaded or threatened to the point where we need other countries to intercede. Let's not forget that the United States is trillions of dollars in debt to quite a few countries including itself. So where we see sending soldiers as aid, other countries see sending the U.S. money as aid. We each get our own. The U.S. isn't just some selfless angel giving handouts to all. Raptor, as far as North Korea "approving" nuclear strikes there really isn't much to worry about at the moment. The small arsenal of nuclear weapons that North Korea has are crude at best. That and the fact that as the country stands it doesn't even have enough bomb fuel, both for the weapons they hope to build, or for the repeated tests to perfect said weapons. Their rocket technology could probably reach Alaska or Hawaii but not with a nuclear device on-board. It will more than likely be around two to four years before the threat becomes credible to U.S. soil. More than enough time to work something out. However, if North Korea wanted to wipe out Seoul today then kiss it goodbye. But North Korea knows that attacking anyone or anything would be detrimental to its own survival. All North Korea is doing is wagging its tongue. Think of it like a child wanting attention. North Korea wants something, no one is quite sure of what yet, but what better way to get everyone's attention than with talk of war. Of course I could be wrong and North Korea might actually attack.... but that would be a death sentence and surely Kim Jong-Un can't be that blind. At least, I hope he isn't. ...man I type too much.
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Post by Raider on Apr 4, 2013 9:00:38 GMT -5
That's the kind of nationalism we need here in America. We have no business on the Korean peninsula, it's not worth America lives. If South Korea can't defend itself after 60 years that's to bad. As far as them being are "allies" what has Korea ever done for us? It's a give and take, not just a one side take all. It's like Israel are "closest" allie they suck us dry with aid, sell are tec to China, and enrage the muslim world against us and what dose America get? Heartache and debt. We need to put the money into are economy and put the troops on the Mexican border, and get back sense of nationalism and the pride in are country and are heritage. We are not here for the world we are here for America! I think what he is trying to say is that we need to stop giving aid to the countries that hate our guts and want nothing to do with us or our money. I read somewhere that we give aid to a ridiculous amount of the worlds countries but yet about half of them don't even want it. So why still give them aid? It sure doesn't make any sense to me. Give aid to our allies and the countries that appreciate receiving it, not the ungrateful ones that still hate us even after making sure they don't starve to death. Anyways thats just my 2 cents
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Post by lightning on Apr 5, 2013 15:46:40 GMT -5
That's the kind of nationalism we need here in America. We have no business on the Korean peninsula, it's not worth America lives. If South Korea can't defend itself after 60 years that's to bad. As far as them being are "allies" what has Korea ever done for us? It's a give and take, not just a one side take all. It's like Israel are "closest" allie they suck us dry with aid, sell are tec to China, and enrage the muslim world against us and what dose America get? Heartache and debt. We need to put the money into are economy and put the troops on the Mexican border, and get back sense of nationalism and the pride in are country and are heritage. We are not here for the world we are here for America! I think what he is trying to say is that we need to stop giving aid to the countries that hate our guts and want nothing to do with us or our money. I read somewhere that we give aid to a ridiculous amount of the worlds countries but yet about half of them don't even want it. So why still give them aid? It sure doesn't make any sense to me. Give aid to our allies and the countries that appreciate receiving it, not the ungrateful ones that still hate us even after making sure they don't starve to death. Anyways thats just my 2 cents Almost, what I'm saying is yes we need allies, but we need to pick them carefully. We try to boss the whole world around and one of these days it is gone to come back on us. And as far as South Korea being a valuable trading partner, and us needing them what ever happened to the days when we made whatever we needed. At the beginning of WW2 we had a military and economic plan to fight the war by are self. Now with all the globalist crap we lose industry to China, Mexico, ect., and go from the largest exporter to one of the largest importers in the world. The way the country is going I give it 20 years tops before the United States of America ceases to excised, but there is no reason why we can't get back on top . Yes we need to get selfish, once we have a surplus, no debt, then yes loan (not give) a country money, lend them some muscle, but not until we get are house in order. Not until after WW2 did we think we had to police the world, for the first 150 years we looked after are own first and you had to do something pretty bad to get us in a war, but now all someone has to do is sneeze the wrong way in a country that we aren't on the best of terms with and there we go. Yes, I am a Nationalist and if the fact that I love my country enough to be critical of the way it's being run upsets you, to bad. But if any provide not for his own,and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8
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Post by Ratchet on Apr 5, 2013 15:58:21 GMT -5
We can't just let South Korea fall, though. They can't handle an immediate/ sudden attack from DPRK especially since they have nuclear weapons.
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Post by lightning on Apr 5, 2013 16:24:14 GMT -5
Kim is a hot head but he's not stupid, and his generals aren't either. He wants a reunification with the south he's not going to nuke them. Number one the north wants to be able to use the land after they get in, and number two it's to close, the fact that they do share a border makes the risk of fall out to great. The nukes are for us, the colt may have been the great equalizer in the 1800's but now it's nuclear weapons. I may not agree with a war with North Korea but if it happens we need to hit them hard. If they hit first I believe they have the capability to hurts us bad.
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Post by lightning on Apr 5, 2013 16:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ratchet on Apr 5, 2013 17:10:00 GMT -5
Kim is a hot head but he's not stupid, and his generals aren't either. He wants a reunification with the south he's not going to nuke them. Number one the north wants to be able to use the land after they get in, and number two it's to close, the fact that they do share a border makes the risk of fall out to great. The nukes are for us, the colt may have been the great equalizer in the 1800's but now it's nuclear weapons. I may not agree with a war with North Korea but if it happens we need to hit them hard. If they hit first I believe they have the capability to hurts us bad. We all know North Korean leaders would rule over Korea IF they reunite.
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